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My ***, can we have enough of this hysterical nonsense about gay people taking over states etc etc?? One would expect these ridiculous items on an extreme evangelical website but not those of the Apostolic Churches. Geez!!!

Dear Brian you said:

"My ***, can we have enough of this hysterical nonsense about gay people taking over states etc etc?? One would expect these ridiculous items on an extreme evangelical website but not those of the Apostolic Churches. Geez!!!"

I say:

Unless one is in the political know, one should not make statements. Remember that homosexual marriages is something that would not have even been thought of two decades ago. It took a great deal of political activism to achieve that.

Now that activism was not from you or I, was it?

Zenovia

Dear Alice,
My word! The entertainment available at Vermont country lodges has changed since my day (although the only one I've ever actually lodged at is Cor Unum, run by Maria von Trapp). I can well believe that the teen-agers found this spectacle irresistibly funny.

However, in defense of the Vermonters, I'm inclined to think that the "happy couple" may well have been tourists themselves!

What will they think of next?

fraternally in Christ,

Incognitus


Zenovia - not only have I not called you a liar; I have not called you anything at all. I have expressed my strong doubt that the idea of the gays taking over Montana should be considered seriously.

Incognitus

Yes Incongnitus, you are indeed correct...the happy couple were tourists from-- where else, but my native city: New York!

Dear Icognitus you said:

"Zenovia - not only have I not called you a liar; I have not called you anything at all. I have expressed my strong doubt that the idea of the gays taking over Montana should be considered seriously."

I say:

This was said by someone that was gay, it was not said by someone giving an opinion. That person was expressing his political agenda in reference to his sexual tendencies.

Having had the experience of knowing all the cases brought up in front of the courts in the different states in the past 15 years... by politically active homosexuals, I would have been either a complete 'idiot' or been living in some kind of 'fantasy' world not to have believed him when he made reference to a certain agenda.

If the idea seems preposterous to you, then consider why homosexual marriages are in the forefront, when it would have been unheard of twenty years ago. It doesn't take an Einstein to realize that some people have been 'very' politically active.

For these people to move to a state with a small population, certainly would give them greater clout when we consider the amount of Senators supporting their personal agenda's (whatever they might be), would be equal to a state like California or New York. A smart move if that is your 'agenda', don't you think?

Zenovia

Dear Alice,
New Yorkers holding a lesbian wedding in Vermont! I should be able to think of some humorous comment on the idea, but just now it escapes me. Perhaps one should throw maple sugar at the happy couple instead of rice? Rice, after all, was originally used as a fertility symbol, which would hardly be appropriate for such an event! Or - if they were planning to hold this thing in the autumn - perhaps the guests could throw multi-colored authentic Vermont foliage?
Anyway, even though I like Vermont, that particular social event is one that I can get along very nicely without!

Incognitus

Zenovia:


I'm a bit puzzled as to why you seem determined to invite me to insult you - which I have not done and have no wish to do.

Same-sex "marriages" are not an invention of the past two decades, I grieve to report. It would be only too easy to document such dubious nuptials at earlier dates.

Yes, I do think the notion of the gays taking over Montana is preposterous - which is why I think whoever said it is unlikely to have been advancing it as a serious proposition. But this is not meant to insult you personally, since by your own word you did NOT advance the idea yourself.

Incognitus

In response to the original post: I think it does matter a lot where you are, Seminarian.

I am in Virginia living within the geographic limits of a conservative diocese (Arlington). For example, people don't want altar girls - in fact, the diocese does not allow them and I've never seen one - so you aren't going to hear anything about priestesses seriously floated among this flock. Some degree of Latin has always persisted here, because people want it. There is an authorized Tridentine Mass in DC (separate archdiocese, there).

Promoting a culture of life and promotion of mainstream family values is a frequent topic of homilies around here. Many of the Roman churches have those K of C monuments to the unborn, very prominently displayed. And, to put action to words, the local diocese has a lively healing ministry for women of any faith who later come to regret "exercising their choice" and who struggle with terrible feelings of loss and guilt. I know two women - one Catholic, one not, who were immensely helped by these programs years later. One thing for this diocese to be proud of is that it has put its money where its mouth is and has not only given guidance but help.

I have never felt there was any question what Catholicism - or Orthodoxy - teaches when I have visited local churches. It's pretty clear. I have a couple friends who are priests and they are definitely upfront in promoting good morality and condemning some of the worst lapses of this modern life.

I don't know anything about gays taking over Montana. However, I have a friend who just moved from Missoula to Butte becasue in his words "ALL the priests in Missoula are practicing homosexuals".

Jason

Hmmm. Maybe we should start a movement to get lots and lots of Greek-Catholics to move to Montana (or Idaho, if the gays are really taking over Montana). Then we could start our own Patriarchate!

Incognitus

Why not Ruthenia instead?

Σώσον, Κύριε, καί διαφύλαξον η�άς από τών Βασιλιάνικων τάξεων!

Ruthenia? Isn't that near Grand Fenwick?

What a splendid idea! Ruthenia has plenty of Greek Catholics and GC churches, but I suspect that Billings MT is about as far as one can be from a GC church in the US (lower 48). Montana does, however, appear to be undergoing some changes, as this essay [time.com] - a real hoot - by Walter Kirn explains.

http://www.time.com/time/archive/preview/0,10987,1050300,00.html

Kirn laments some startling changes in MT over the last few years. One is the recent adoption of numerical speed limits. Previously the general rule was "reasonable and prudent". Worse, effective just last Saturday, it became illegal to drink and drive in MT. Prior to Oct.1 2005, it was not only legal, but as Kirn noted, rather popular!

I remember in a more civilized era that it was not illegal to drink and drive. Rolling along the interstate with a beer in hand was perfectly acceptable, while driving while drunk was illegal...

However, I have a friend who just moved ... to Butte becasue in his words

Jason's friend that just moved to Butte, this is what he sees out his back door - Our Lady of the Rockies http://www.ourladyoftherockies.org/ Literaly, when he looks out his door he sees her. Isn't tha awesome!

The town is almost all Catholic and has a Serbian Orthodox Church.

"effective just last Saturday, it became illegal to drink and drive in MT."

In Manitoba it is illegal to drive if one cannot see through the windshield of the car.

Incognitus