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#87892 02/12/06 09:16 PM
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OUR LADY OF PERPETUAL HELP UKRAINIAN CATHOLIC PARISH holds First Friday Communion of Reparation to the Sacred Heart, 7 p.m. and First Saturday devotion to Our Lady of Fatima, 9 a.m. (preceded by rosary at 8:45 a.m.). Location: 4400 Palm Ave., La Mesa.

This is so, so sad.

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Prayer can never be bad.

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Daniil,

I used to attend that parish and since we moved to a new building, we really focused our prayers and strength to returning to a truly Eastern direction.

Then we got a new pastor.....

No more Vespers, they have daily Liturgies during the Great Fast, statues, RC dovotions, Stations of the Cross, etc.

The previous post was more of a lament than anything. Prayer can never be bad as you said, but I think you know what I mean.

-uc

BTW, the new Church was dedicated as, and still is St. John the Baptizer. The new pastor refers to it by its old patronage, OLPH.

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Very, very sad.................

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Doesn't quite beat ordaining a Byzantine "Ruthenian" Catholic bishop in a Roman Catholic cathedral, does it?

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It's a shame that sort of uniatism is permitted at all these days. I think that an educated laity should challenge these priests. However, if the laity dont know or feel confidet of what is supposed to be,then it gets back to personaities and privatised church. It is a great shame. Is there no one who should be alerted to this travesty?

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Pavel,

Everyone in San Diego knows about it, because I got that out of a newspaper clipping.

Events in the parish are well advertised.

And whats funny is that the only people who go to that stuff are SSPX and Tridentines. Their numbers are flourishing and many
of the Ukrainians are leaving or have left, including my parents, who just yesterday have left the parish indefinately. Its really sad, because my mom was one of the founding parishioners.

It seems like the tyrranical priests are never dealt with, they are just moved to smaller and seemingly fiscally insignificant parishes where they destroy them in a mere 2-3 years.

As� es la vida....

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Originally posted by Pavloosh:
Doesn't quite beat ordaining a Byzantine "Ruthenian" Catholic bishop in a Roman Catholic cathedral, does it?
Bishop Michael Hrynchyshyn of the UGCC's France and Benelux Exarchate was enthroned in the Roman Catholic neo-gothic cathedral of St-Germain des Pres in Paris.. The UGCC church located one block away could not accommodate the hundreds of people who came to witness the event which was completely Byzantine in character. Sometimes there is a necessity to use larger non-byzantine churches for UGCC members also.

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Ukrainiancatholic,

I'm sorry to hear about what has happened at your parents parish.

I thought that the Ukrainian Church was in the process of de-latinizing itself. Didn't the Ukrainian bishops of Canada recently order the removal of the filioque from the singing of the creed during divine liturgy?

Blessings to you,
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Todd,

I'm not sure about the Filipque removal for the Eparchy of St. Nicholas/Chicago. I know that it was removed in Canada, which is a good thing.

Also, I forgot to mention, the priest in question has made his own English translation of the Creed and has made it for official use in the parish at the English DL.

And FYI, my first post in this thread is an announcement found in a Lay Catholic newspaper in San Diego County.

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I bet the priest is some Latin who has changed over as well. I am not surprised that these people have moved in. The UGCC church in Perth, Western Australia years ago had the same group move in but once there was a Trendentine Mass to go to they were off and gone in a flash...thank God. They were such a pain. That Parish in America really needs to be brought in line and quickly. I think this is the sort of info that needs to be broadcast far and wide in the hope that someone will be pressured to do something about them.

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He's American born and is Ukrainian.

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Dear Friends,

The UGCC Hierarchy of Canada has simply affirmed that the Filioque SHOULD be removed and has issued an education pamphlet to this effect.

As far as I can see NOTHING else has changed at the parish level - those parishes that use the Filioque (I would say the majority) still do use it and most simply have never heard about this move of their bishops. The only parishes I know in my area that don't use the Filioque are St Elias in Brampton and St Demetrius.

So let's not get too excited here! smile

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Dear Ukrainian Catholic,

Whether this is "so, so bad" depends on the context - perhaps in this context you describe it is bad.

In Ukraine, many UGCC parishes have these services.

I've spoken to Ukrainian Catholic priests there and the First Friday devotions, Our Lady of Fatima, and Stations of the Cross with Rosary are WILDLY popular, especially in the wake of the fall of the Soviet empire and of the "Soviet Orthodox" Church as he called it.

In addition, Eucharistic Adoration is VERY popular, especially the 24 hour a day Adoration - he said that in his village EVERYONE has an assigned hour of Adoration when they come to Church, day and night, to pray - including schoolchildren who bring their prayerbooks with them to school and often spend an hour in the afternoon after school's out, on the way home, in adoration in Church.

The Holy Hieroconfessor Josef Slipyj the Patriarch, when he was in Rome, went DAILY to the Church of St Neilos there for his Hour of Adoration (and it could have been longer, I don't know).

Certainly, this is not for the "Orthodox in communion with Rome" crowd! smile

Even Orthodox Churches in Ukraine and other E. European countries have Stations of the Cross and Sacred Heart devotions et alia where the Catholic Church is very strong - and where devotion to the Sacred Heart is a kind of "litmus test" of whether one is a real Christian or not!

We can bemoan the fact that there is a voluntary Latinization there - but let's also remember that those people, after years of being under the Soviets and the Russian Orthodox Church have come to get a "bad taste in their mouth" when it comes to "Easternization."

For them, Orthodoxy is definitely not "flavour of the month" and represents the spirituality of the oppressor, foreign cultural imposition and the like.

For them, Latin devotions that the Orthodox don't have, are attractive precisely because they derive their Greek-Catholic identity from them, their sense of "we're now free from the Soviets and the Orthodox Church" and the like.

Priests from there have told me that it is often the case that their parishioners have asked them, sometimes quite adamantly, that they stop using the term "Orthodox Christians" in the Liturgy - when they sing that, their Presbyteras notice many people in Church shaking their heads or otherwise making a "sour face" upon hearing that.

It is a different situation over there from ours and perhaps the priest you mention is either from there or has been there. If he is alienating people, that is not a good thing.

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Alex,

You're tight. I've seen a lot of this stuff, especially in the village.

But what I find interesting is that this priest has these devotions (in order to recieve indulgences), yetr he went to the same seminary as most other priests in the diaspora UGCC, and none of them I know are this Latinized.

And he's not from Ukraine-- he's American born. And the parishioners z Ukrayiny, they don't pray the Roasary before Liturgy, they stand the whole service in the back of the church, etc. etc.

So if the pastor was from Ukraine, I can understand this to a certain extent. But for an American born priest, I find this unnacceptable.

-uc

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