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Is there a list of Ukrainian Greek Catholic Churches in the Ukraine on the web?

I would like to know if there exist a Church in vyshevitshy near radomish.

Dear Ray,

I've never heard of a place called "the Ukraine" - perhaps you are referring to one of those heavy-duty machines used for lifting steel objects?

You can ask about this at http://www.ugcc.org.ua and they will doubtless let you know!

Yes, that's in Ukraine . . .

Alex

The Ukraine is somewhere near The Ruthenia and The Grand Fenwick, near the Russian city of Kiev. :p

Dear Charles,

"Kiev" most assuredly sounds Russian!

Alex

And has been for much of its history, I think. Funny thing though, in English "Kiev" and "Kyiv" sound identical. Fancy that!

Hey byzanTN!

Your references to Kyiv sound like something a "varreeot" would say.

Perhaps he was speaking of "the Ukraine" region of Mother Russia? :p

In Jest,
Deacon Nikolai

Well, since I have no idea what you are talking about... I have no Ukrainian ancestors and do not know the language, so chatter on. I will never know what you are saying unless you say it in English. "Kiev" is the accepted spelling in English stylebooks. Alex seems to want them to change, but they haven't seen fit to do so yet. Perhaps they will, maybe they won't, who knows? But unless the stylebooks change the spelling, many companies and institutions will continue to require that the approved spelling be used.

Dear Charles,

Actually, I go by what the independent Ukrainian government TODAY is asking the English world to do - Kyiv.

That is simply obedience to international protocol and since I work at a legislature and am actively involved in such things - I do as other governments would like things done with respect to themselves, bad manners to do otherwise.

That journalists and the Administrator haven't caught up with the times, I pray that they one day will . I hope you don't trust journalists to do an accurate job of describing the Eastern Churches - I know I don't.

"Kiev" made sense when Church Slavonic was the "lingua franca" of Eastern European society.

As such, Kiev would be valid.

But since Slavonic is limited to Church services only, "Kiev" is the Russian usage which was valid as long as Ukraine was under the Russian boot.

Frankly, it is a bit surprising that a member of a former British colony, namely yourself, wouldn't want to be among the first to affirm for Ukraine what your country obtained more than 200 years ago after the spilling of much blood.

And your country is also one that will wage war to bring the same kind of independence to other nations.

Use whatever words you like, it is just not something one would expect from an American citizen whose values of independence, freedom, democracy and self-determination are reflected in the word "Kyiv" - while quite the opposite is reflected in the name "Kiev."

And the word Pavloosh used is an unfortunate one - it means "idiot."

I hope he will apologise.

That's also breaking protocol - on the Forum.

Alex

That isn't a problem, since unless Pavloosh speaks English, he might as well be speaking in tongues as far as I am concerned. Perhaps he does anyway. I think that dispute over spelling just isn't as important in the U.S. as in, say Canada. I'm surprised English spellings would matter in Ukraine since they don't use the same alphabet. When would the English spelling ever be seen there? I really do not have any ancestors from that area. When I say my ancestors were Austrian, it's not because I have Carpathian relatives I want to keep hidden in the basement. My ancestors really were Austrian and I have no links to Ukraine. But I do hear that a segment - and I don't know how large it is - in Ukraine does consider itself Russian.

I generally say "Kyiv", when I'm speaking Ukrainian.Czechs and Slovaks refer to the Czech capital as "Praha".So do the non-Slavic Finns and Estonians.About half the Slavs refer to Hungarians using the word "Magyar".If I wanted to say "in Bratislava" to a Slovak ,I'd say "v Bratislavi", if I were saying the same thing to a Hungarian, I'd say "Pozsonyban".A German-speaking Austrian in the Old Empire would have called Bratislava "Pressburg" and Lviv "Lemberg".The Pole would call Lviv "Lwow" and the Russian,well never mind..

I think that true idiocy is bringing all the "old world" disputes, politics, rivalries, etc. to this hemisphere and poisoning the atmosphere with them. My ancestors came here to be Americans. They were quite happy to no longer be Austrians and were glad to get away from the place. Someone was on this board a few months ago complaining about some injury the Byzantines had done - to whom? Since there haven't been any Byzantines in 500 years, they couldn't possibly have done anything to him. I hear the loudest complaints from people who wouldn't dream of living in the places they belligerently defend, but stay in the comfort and security of North America and display the chips on their shoulders. Is it all just to gain some kind of moral high ground and attain victim status? To be more pious than the rest of us? Who knows? But I do wonder about that. Leave the "old world" there. This rampant ethnicity, real or imagined, is one thing that is killing our Eastern Churches. When these "immigrants" are gone, so are their churches.

GPS Coords. are:
Position 50.620 Nord 29.390 East altitude 151 m

Now, where is the closest church?

If you can wait I will look up the coord. on a map and post it here.

Religious Information Service of Ukraine
http://www.risu.org.ua/eng/

One of their pages:
Religion in Ukraine on the Internet
http://www.risu.org.ua/eng/resources/ukrweb/

I don't know which region your town is in.

Hope this helps.

Deweydecimal