www.byzcath.org Forums Faith & Christian Life Parish Life & Evangelization Role of Presbyteras

RichC,

You are correct. St. Nicholas also had a mitre long before they were in style. I have holy cards to prove it.

Joe

Joe -

You still have'nt answere my question.

A yes, or no will suffice

Ality

The ss. in question were Greek rite monks wroking for Rome. There was not the distinction between rites as it is now. The Church was one then and so there was nothing wrong or strange with having Greeks working for Latins.

There has never been a Patriarchate of Kyiv.

There were Catholics in the Roman Empire before Rome was officially converted too

Yes, history can be easily distorted to meet one's agenda. Perhaps I am guilty of the same?


Chirst is Risen!
ALity

"Besides, it isn't so easy. We do have standards you know

You have to make a vow to begin Ukrainian language studies for three years if you don't speaka da language yet.

And then this vow is supplanted with another, life-long one, similar to the Great Schema, where you must constantly work on the proper Ukrainian accent, memorize one poem of Shevchenko per year and never criticize Ukrainian cooking in public ."

Alex, they didn't tell me this before I made my profession of faith last December...does this mean it was invalid? At least I do love pierohy, even if I do pronounce it like a Pole

Don
your Ukie wannabe

Hi,

Can I chime in as a deacon canidates wife?

What is different for us from Lance and Joe's standpoint is that our youngest is 17. All of our children have encouraged us both, and I am willing to be active in what ever way the people ask of me, as long as it is in obedience to my husband and the priest.

That is the other point would be to have the support of the other wives, especially for the younger mothers.

Our deacons wife has worked tireslessly in the church. She works full time, while he has stayed home with the children. This enabled him to be available whenever he was needed for the church. They have six children, and they have managed to work through all of it, I think the youngest is in 7th grade now.

Rose

Dear Don,

As the Administrator noted with respect to the ancient canon governing sex before Liturgy, the rules are interpreted variously by Eparchy .

Besides, Ukrainian Catholics feel close to anyone with a Rosary!!

God bless you - how are you feeling these days?

Alex

Dear Cantor Joe,

In that case, all other rules governing joining the Ukie Catholic Church are rescinded in your specific canonical case!

Alex

I like what Rose had to say about the deacon's wife that she knew. She described her as "working tirelessly", something seen as an injustice in American culture, but her efforts are of priceless value to the Kingdom of God.
The wife of a priest has as much of a vocation as her husband does, and she has a responsibility first to her husband and her family, but also to the church that she has been placed in to serve. If every vocation is a call from God, and the wife of a seminarian is certain of this call, then I would hope she would welcome strutiny and assesment with confidence of her discernment and with trust in God's most perfect providence and divine will.
The vocation to life as a presbytera is just as real as the call to life as a consecrated sister or mother, and should not be a role that is simply accepted passively. The position of a priest's wife is one containing tremendous potential of ministry to husband, family, and community.
In Proverbs 31 it was the labor of the fruitful wife that was her beauty and honor: "Her lamp does not go out at night... and [she] does not eat the bread of idleness." "She opens her mouth with wisdom, and the teaching of kindness is on her tongue." "Give her of the fruit of her hands, and let her works praise her in the gates."

Dear Elizabeth:

I read with great interest your posts about Presbyteras.

I totally agree and think that Presbyteras should be receiving much more support in their roles and MUCH, MUCH, MUCH more credit for all that they have done and all that they are.

And the more so as there is no real job description, no salary, no training, and an Incredible amount of expectations put on her by the parish.

And her ministry is such a Very delicate on, neither official nor unofficial. She does a great deal of ministry that her husband cannot do, yet she has no official "authority" to do it, so must be very careful in going about it. She can also be a "court of appeal" if the problem is her husband.

Ever open to accusations of either interfering or not-getting involved. She and Her children always living in a fish bowl.

ETC. ETC. ETC.

We should find out how many are on the roles of the officially Glorified.

You might be interested in checking out this webpage, which purports to be about the priest, but I personally think is much more to do with the role of the Presbytera.

I think it is:

http://www.saintelias.com/Clergy_Elia/FrRoman_elia/FrRoman_elia.html

cix

h

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ality:
[QB]

Why would reunification of our two churches necessitate you abandoning your Carpatho-Rusyn identity?

We were one church when we came over here in the late 1800's. We are both Rusyns and cultural/religous differences are miniscule. Our barrier is mainly geographic (Carpathian Mts.)

Both our Churches would benefit here and in Ukraine. Why would you prefer to be under the jurisdiction of a Latin Pope in Rome rather than in union with and a part of the holy synod and Eastern Patriarchate of Kyiv?


or you could reunite with the Mother Orthodox Church!

Dear Brian,

A further comment to Ality could also be that while Kyiv never had a Patriarchate before contemporary times, the Kyivan Metropolitan did have certain patriarchal privileges from Constantinople, such as wearing patriarchal robes and the right to perform certain blessings with which I am not altogether that familiar with.

Kyiv was truly a "Light of the East" that never saw its role in the juridical relation of a "Third Rome" or any kind of Rome, but as a "New Jerusalem."

The missionaries and monks of Kyiv preached Orthodoxy throughout the length and breadth of Eastern Europe until the ends of Siberia and even into China.

Kyiv was and will be still a great Christian centre which certainly counts for more than what could be quite the empty title of "Patriarchate."

It always was a Patriarchate in fact and spiritual deeds done to build up the Body of Christ.

And its membership was ALWAYS multi-national, including Hutsuls and other Carpathian peoples, Wallachians (St Peter Mohyla I believe), Siberians, Belarusyans, Baltic Slavs and others as listed by St Paissy Velichkovsky (he included Chalcedonian Armenians as well).

Carpatho-Rusyns legitimately seek to maintain their identity.

Union with Kyiv would never compromise that.

Alex