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Dear Robert,

If you are leaving because of me, don't - I apologise and promise to behave in future.

Don't leave because of the Administrator either.

You should know that when I first began my career on byzcath.org, the Administrator was once very angry with me and wanted to ban me.

He even e-mailed me to say I was on his short-list of people he wanted to banish from here.

He considered me to be a troublemaker and asinine, flaming the fires between Catholics and Orthodox.

He also considered me old-fashioned (now that really hurt!).

And then, in a fit of repentance, I admitted he was right and said, "O.K., Sir, go ahead and remove me . . . sniff."

He let me stay, but he has still had occasion to "straighten me out."

For one thing, he hates it when I call him, "Sir."

And he says he doesn't mind when I disagree with him, but it seems I hear something in the distant background that sounds like muttering under the breath . . .

So, you see, we love you. It is you who is in the right, and we are in the wrong.

That last statement helps me get through those times when everyone seems to be disagreeing with me.

Alex

Ok, I won't leave, but do you know any good Winter Pascha reciepes

I don't have the discipline to be gone from this Forum for more than a day anyway

I apologize for my Gavalia Kaffe inspired posts.

Oh, and in regard to Bishop Yurchyk, the KP Bishop gone Sedevancantist, I called Bishop Pivarunas, General Superior of the CMRI, and he told me that the KP lied and forged his statement of recantation! And that they lied to save face. Bishop Pivarunas said he is still a Bishop in communion with them and he never denied his Profession of Faith. I couldn't believe it! So I guess we need to find out who's telling the truth - lets see between a Sedevacantist Bishop and the KP...hmmm; Who do you think is lying? Don't know, but Bishop Pivarunas seemed to be a rather straightforward man and rather pious. I had a pretty good feeling he was telling the truth. And I actually was impressed by him.

Anyway got to go put up my new Nativity ikons; I must admit I have my token latinizations such as the Advent Wreath and the Manger set, but I am not totally encouragable. Well,I am off today thank God; he is indeed merciful!

Luv you guys!

Many Years in health and happiness to all!

I think poor Vladimir must have quite a headache by now reading all of these things

Dear Robert H:

With the hope that you reconsider your leave-taking, I wish to assure you that I am one of those who think that the procedures you outlined were technically correct.

Eastern Catholics who are without an Eparchy on hand for assistance, the Latin Ordinary is enjoined by Canon Law (because of pastoral considerations) to provide the necessary services for such mundane things as "Church identity."

Your position struck me as the "ideal" position for an Eastern Catholic, a.k.a. "Orthodox in communion with Rome."

Stay with us and await the outcome of the ACTUAL resolution of Vladimir's "Church identity," canonically or otherwise.

AmdG

Dear Brian,

Volodymyr should consider this to be his formal initiation into our Church, then . . .

What does it say in scripture, when you come to serve the Lord, prepare your hear for temptation?

Yo, Robert!

Orthodox Ukrainians put up wreaths and Creches during the Kyivan Baroque period - you are in good company!

Alex

Dear Alex:

I am deeply sorry for my arrogance and my hard headedness. Really this Forum has been a major influence in my life ever since my conversion in 98. I started on the now discontinued Byzantines.net Forum first; back then the Byzcath Forum was less polemical and more academic, at least when I attemped to read the posts When the Byzantines.net Forum was closed, Memory Eternal, all the people from that Forum came here. So you get alot more less polished stuff. But thankfully this Forum is still holding its head above the holy water

Actually, I have to say that I have fond memories of all of your posts and the growth that has transpired in me from them. I can also recall my wackiness and confusion through the years. But I was a baby in Christ and in many ways still am, God help me, but all of you have been there through it all. Even though I have never met any of you; In a way you are like a family. I love you all!

Sincerely in Christ,

Robert

Dear Robert,

Welcome back!

Bishop Yuri has gone to the Sevectivist group. I wonder how he reconciles this with his faith .

In any case welcome back. I have a nice Rosary manuel (I call it a Chotki manuel to stay Orthodox Ratspuetin like ).

I also have a nice pyrohi manuel. 20 different cheeses .

Steven

Dear Steven:

Since Bishop Yurchyk was born in 1970, according to his bio on the KP website, I don't think he is very experienced and may not have really thought this through. He probably was denied entry into the Ukrainian Catholic Patriarchate and sought another way such as through the CMRI, but again I am not sure he has really thought it through; I mean to be doubly schismatic is a real bad situation to put oneself in. A Greek Catholic not under the Pope who ever heard of such a thing

My old priest Father Steve Greskowiak printed a Byzantine Catholic Book of prayers that has nice sections on the Jesus Rosary and the Marian Rosary which has many different prayers. I still use it.

And I would love to have at least one of your pirohi receipes my friend

God Bless.

Dear Robert,

A man like you who refers to the Ukrainian Catholic Patriarchate by name is welcome to talk to me anytime.

I know Bishop Yuri was really young to be a Bishop . But in my mind he is not really reflective of the KP. They are usually educated and very good, dedicated clergy and people.

In anycase, I will keep a weary eye out for Bishop Yuri. Unless he joins the Ukrainian Catholic Church, then I will commerate him in prayer .

Steven

First of all, I am sorry, it seems my post has caused an emotional response and departure from one of our fellow Catholic Christians. Robert, I plead with you PLEASE COME BACK!!!!

With that having been said, I do wish to make a couple of statements. One, I was considering the priesthood....it may well be the diaconate the Lord has in mind for me. And two, another reason I was interested in MY TRUE IDENTITY is my wife, who is Roman Catholic, LOVES the Byzantine liturgy, and would change rites (officially) after the time requirement would be fulfilled. With my identity having been established, I would then know if I would have to officially change rites as well.

Thanks for all of your responses,
Volodymyr

See Alex, I can spell!!!!

Easy as pie or rather...ahem...Prophora!

If you still want to join after this, well, You REALLY ARE UGGC! And here I was afraid that we driven you back to the Latins [or forth - depending on whether you were or weren't...agh! ]

If your Church membership is established, your wife need only sign a declaration (it's a very simple formula) declaring that she is switching over to your church. And then file it in the parish where her baptismal record is kept! (It's the easiest way to switch Churches!)

Easy as prosphora! [Is this what you are asking?]

herb

In response to an earlier post, I could never tire of reading all of the responses. If there is one good thing to come out of all this, is the wonderful heritage my parents gave me. They have given me the "both lungs" heritage.

Peace,
V

Dear Volodymyr,

Point well taken .

Welcome to our Church. It is our diversity that makes us stronger. You can help us with the Two Lungs theory so popular with the Pope these day's.

Steven

Well, reading all this leads me to say "Thank goodness it is easier for heretics such as I was to recant and join the Church than it is to change rites!!"

The whole thing strikes me as culturalistic imperialism (Latins vs Easterns) rather than brethren tending the sheep with the best interests of the sheep in mind. (Kinda like the Irish bishops in America raising hell with the Holy Father about our married status and getting that tradition all messed up for us!! It wasn't any of their business to begin with).

But what do I know? I'm just a simple dumb convert who knows what he likes in a Liturgy.

Cordially in Christ,

Brother Ed

Volodko, it appears to be a clear matter. You are liturgically and ecclesially "nash" ("one of us" in Ukie-speak). We'll give you the briefing on the club rules and begin preparation for the initiation...just kidding. Oh, and don't forget, if you are Ukie that means you can argue with anyone anytime (again, just kidding)