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Dear Alice you said:
"Did you also know that the black women's monastic headdress and garb one sees in Orthodoxy was also the lay dress for widows in 19th century Greece? In my husband's ancestral home, there are many photos of elderly women relatives dressed like nuns that were simply widowed at the time, and not nuns."
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There is a Dutch portrait of yesteryear, that dipicts two women. They seem to be nuns in 'habit', yet they are not. It was simply the way women of that era dressed.
Of course they might have been married women...I don't recall.
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Originally posted by Laka Ya Rabb: I wouldn't call headcoverings an "ethnic holdover" Okay, I see what you're saying. It depends on the style of headcoverings too... nothing wrong with non-ethnic wide-brimmed hats. I'm partial to close-fitting 1920's-style cloches myself.  God bless, Karen
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Originally posted by MizByz1974:Welcome. The great thing about head coverings is that it doesn't matter how your hair looks that day. What did you think of your first Byzantine liturgy? I'm a former Latin riter, and I was just blown away. God bless, Karen [/QB] Thank you, Karen! I absolutely loved the Byzantine Liturgy--very beautiful. The small parish was also exquisite--the icons were amazing, and the priest and parishioners were all very kind and friendly. I went with a friend who grew up Byzantine; his family are Croatian, and he guided me through quite adeptly. I had been to numerous Russian Orthodox Liturgies in the past and so I felt very comfortable and blessed! It was quite long, about two hours, which is also like the Russian Orthodox. I was surprised there were pews, however! I thought it would all be standing as in the Russian Orthodox! All in all, it was simply divine, and I am certain I will return. Thank you so much for your welcome, Karen. With many blessings, Mhuire
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Originally posted by Pavel Ivanovich:
Russian Orthodox Churches often advise women to wear head scarfs and to avoid hats and mantillas when in church (too RC).
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NIKA Thank you for posting this, Pavel Ivanovich, as I didn't know this. It makes quite a lot of sense though. I have been to numerous Russian Orthodox Liturgies and nearly all the women there were Russian and only wore scarves. I must add that I am giggling at the reason you supply for why not hats or mantillas!! I certainly know that in the Russian Orthodox parish I went to the congregation was 100% native Russian and wanted the Czar reinstated, so of course, they didn't want to be RC in any way!! With many blessings, Mhuire
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Good enough for Queen Elizabeth II & her late mum to wear a head scarf. So go get some nice ones. They make nice fashion accessories when not worn on the head. You really dont want all that Latinish stuff when going east  . ICXC NIKA
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Originally posted by Mhuire:
Thank you, Karen! I absolutely loved the Byzantine Liturgy--very beautiful. The small parish was also exquisite--the icons were amazing, and the priest and parishioners were all very kind and friendly. I went with a friend who grew up Byzantine; his family are Croatian, and he guided me through quite adeptly. I had been to numerous Russian Orthodox Liturgies in the past and so I felt very comfortable and blessed! It was quite long, about two hours, which is also like the Russian Orthodox. I was surprised there were pews, however! I thought it would all be standing as in the Russian Orthodox! All in all, it was simply divine, and I am certain I will return. Thank you so much for your welcome, Karen.
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Mhuire Hi, Glad you liked it. Of course, since you're already familiar with Orthodox liturgy, it was probably pretty much what you were used to at the Russian Orthodox church.... only with pews. I got interested in Eastern Orthodoxy about five years ago, and one night I flipped on EWTN. But instead of the usual Latin rite Mass, they were celebrating the divine liturgy of St. John Chrysostom. I watched for a moment-- the icons, the bowing, the chanting-- and I decided right then that I had to change rites. Of course I decided it would be a good idea to investigate first... I did, and have been unofficially Byzantine for three and a half years. Obviously I like it, ha. Make sure you don't miss the Easter liturgy-- it's amazing. If there are any doubts that Christ is risen, they will vanish instantly. God bless, Karen
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Thank you, Karen. I can totally see how one can be so inspired by the Eastern rite. Part of me is very drawn to it also, though I love my Dominican Order priests at my home RC parish!
Since there is a difference in calendar, isn't it true that the Byzantine Easter comes later than RC Easter? If this is the case, I will be certain to attend the Easter Liturgy at the local Byzantine parish this year!
God bless you, too!
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