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Dear Memo,

What a beautiful statement of Faith in our Liturgies!

Amen.

Steve

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Originally posted by Diak:
I have found that the whole "liberal-trad" conflict in the Roman Church has and continues to polarize and divide, right or wrong. Even with the "trad" communities who are in communion with Rome there seems to be often an elitism and even many of the priests are bitter or very negative about the Novus Ordo.

Vatican II keeps getting dragged through the dirt by traditionalists. It's ridiculous, especially when the Constitution on the Liturgy from Vatican II (Sacrosanctum Comcilium) exhorts the use of Gregorian chant and describes the Liturgy the source and summit of the Christian life.

While I am sympathetic to the traditional liturgical movement, and love sung Latin Masses, I don't think the Low Mass (which was very prevalent in the Roman Church before Vatican II) with a priest mumbling Latin between an altar boy and the congregation far in the distance praying private devotions is what the Church has in mind for "full and conscious participation" of the laity in the Liturgy.[/QB]
A great big AMEN!

I was involved with an ultra traditional schismatic group in Idaho..thanks to my dear departed mother..my she rest in peace.

It ingrained such a we-they attitude that dialog was not even remotely possible.
Thanks be to God, I am now back with Holy Mother Church and, after much study, realize the beauty and necessity of the Mass of Paul Vl.
Satan's best tool is devision where ever, however, in whatever fashion..he cares not as long as it divides!

Your sister in Christ,
Mary


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One of my mentors once told me that "the degree of reverence and attention to detail that a man brings to his liturgical practice is a measure of his faith." This was during the period before many of the Latin Church's new liturgical forms had developed.

I am sure that in whatever local church one enters one can find priests who want to shave time from the Liturgy and priests who have the faith and reverence to serve with the full intention of what their local Church intends.

I have experienced the gamut. For the past fourteen years I have been privileged to have a pastor who had graduate academic work in the theory and practice of Liturgy. He was the one who finally showed our parish what the Vatican II Mass could be and should be. No detail was too small to be "good enough." He built us a choir that is second to none. He encouraged my own ministry in training lay readers so that we now have men and women who proclaim the Word in a fashion that is second to none. He required that lay ministers of the Eucharist have a short background training in theology in addition to mere "how to" training.

But it takes time and vision.

My mother hails from a parish that once boasted of a "six minute" Liturgy. The pastor was ill and cut everythng out that didn't fit into this time span. If you were five minutes late, you had missed it.

In between there are all kinds of satisfying and unsatisfying variations. What I detect from the caring people in this forum, of whatever background--from Armenian to the end of the spectrum, is the kind of strong faith that notices the details as being things that matter in conveying and nurturing the faith.

May the Lord Who is coming to us in this Holy Season bless all of you and your efforts.

BOB

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