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Wow, thanks for all the great advice! Maybe I get too caught up in all of this. I can't stand it, but I'm trying to just forget about it, and focus on God. Thanks again!
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At Liturgy this Sunday, Father gave a great homily about forgiveness. Ignore the mean comments, you live your own life. Ask Jesus to forgive them for their comments. If you are called the the Byzantine life, perhaps the negative comments are challenges to your call. Rise above them and hold your head high Drew.
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Sounds like that was a fine homily.
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Originally posted by byzanTN: Originally posted by drewmeister2: [b] Thanks for the reply! I'm still curious though, how do I ignore the attacks against the RC from the EC's? I seem to take them as personal attacks. What should I do? I think you just have to be a bigger person than those making the attacks. My parish has been visited by some Traditional RCs considered by the local bishop to be schismatics. They were bitter and hostile, but didn't stay around for long, since we were not the Tridentine Mass they were seeking. I sympathize with those who love that mass and I spent 4 years helping a group gather petitions and submit them to the local bishop. They did get their mass, which makes me happy. There is often a wrong way and a right way to do things, and this group went through proper channels and did things the right way. Everyone is not going to love us. Didn't Christ say that the world would hate us? Don't let the critics deter you from doing what God wills for you. Follow Him where He leads and don't look back. [/b]if that being the case, that is the schsmatic Latin Traditionalists get into a state over the fact that the EC Liturgy is not the Latin, in any shape, fashion, or form, then I am mystified. a lot of these people are highly educated, (though I suspect that a lot of that is self education, which is ignorance in a cap and gown), you would think that they would have known that ECs are different in Liturgy. don't these people do their homework? can they read? what do they read? oh, well, bless their hearts (any Southerner will know what that expression means). Much Love, Jonn
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Originally posted by JonnNightwatcher: Originally posted by byzanTN: [b] Originally posted by drewmeister2: [b] Thanks for the reply! I'm still curious though, how do I ignore the attacks against the RC from the EC's? I seem to take them as personal attacks. What should I do? I think you just have to be a bigger person than those making the attacks. My parish has been visited by some Traditional RCs considered by the local bishop to be schismatics. They were bitter and hostile, but didn't stay around for long, since we were not the Tridentine Mass they were seeking. I sympathize with those who love that mass and I spent 4 years helping a group gather petitions and submit them to the local bishop. They did get their mass, which makes me happy. There is often a wrong way and a right way to do things, and this group went through proper channels and did things the right way. Everyone is not going to love us. Didn't Christ say that the world would hate us? Don't let the critics deter you from doing what God wills for you. Follow Him where He leads and don't look back. [/b] if that being the case, that is the schsmatic Latin Traditionalists get into a state over the fact that the EC Liturgy is not the Latin, in any shape, fashion, or form, then I am mystified. a lot of these people are highly educated, (though I suspect that a lot of that is self education, which is ignorance in a cap and gown), you would think that they would have known that ECs are different in Liturgy. don't these people do their homework? can they read? what do they read? oh, well, bless their hearts (any Southerner will know what that expression means). Much Love, Jonn [/b]I was told by a Latin Traditionalist that the Latin mass predates the Greek Divine Liturgy. IF Christ celebrated the Last Supper in Aramaic, as the Maronites claim, then I wonder why the Latin Traditionalists don't flee to the Maronite Church?
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Originally posted by drewmeister2: The hardest part for me is to ignore these anti-RC and anti-EC comments. I take them as personal attacks, and its hurting me. What should I do? The next time someone throws an anti-RC comment at you, just smile and tell them you'll remember their intentions in your next Rosary novena. 
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Elizabeth Maria,
There are arrogant, envious and jealous people on both sides of the"fence".
I seek out and are drawn to the humble ones.
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I haven't been on here much these past 2 weeks, haven't really had an opportunity to catch up yet, and may not for a couple of days - but, the title of this thread caught my eye. I say, turn them over to the "old aunties" (a highly technical Melkite term - someone can, I am sure, supply the Slav equivalent  ). Many years, Neil (who would rather be turned over to a tribe of savages armed with sharpened bamboo stakes  ). Whoops - scratch that idea - I misread the thread title, I thought we were talking about anti-EC Latin Catholics Got to stop posting pre-caffeine 
"One day all our ethnic traits ... will have disappeared. Time itself is seeing to this. And so we can not think of our communities as ethnic parishes, ... unless we wish to assure the death of our community."
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Dear Neil:
Go, and sin no more! :p
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IF Christ celebrated the Last Supper in Aramaic, as the Maronites claim, then I wonder why the Latin Traditionalists don't flee to the Maronite Church? [/QB][/QUOTE]
Jesus did speak Aramaic, and here's another kicker, the lingua franca of the Roman Empire was GREEK, NOT LATIN!!!!. If these schismatics visited the Maronites, dollars to donuts they would find fault with them as they do with the Byzantines. I remember one RC who had converted from Fundamentalism, and who I strongly suspect has gone over to the schismatics, telling me that no Catholic (at least Latin, I suppose)should have a Bible unless the Greek, Aramaic, and Hebrew had first been translated into Latin, then into the vernacular.Of course, this is laughable,for the past generation, the NAB has been a Catholic pulpit Bible that has been translated from the original languages, and not Latin, and I suspect that there are other translations for Catholics: Latin, or Eastern, that follow this. I suspect that he never truly left Fundamentalism, as he reflected the thought patterns of the more extreme types. Sad when the language and not the message of the Word is most paramount. Much Love, Jonn
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I don't see why this has to descend into an attack on those who love the Latin language. It has a venerable and noble history in the Church and ought not to be scorned by anyone. The reason that the Latin Traditionalists don't "flee to the Maronite Church" is because, like the Maronites, they love the traditions of their own Church and would like to see them restored to their proper place. That shouldn't be too hard for an Eastern Rite Catholic to understand, eh? 
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Neil, great to see your post! I have missed your imput and sense of humor. Do catch up... Mary Jo...post-caffeine. :p
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Originally posted by Theist Gal: I don't see why this has to descend into an attack on those who love the Latin language. It has a venerable and noble history in the Church and ought not to be scorned by anyone. The reason that the Latin Traditionalists don't "flee to the Maronite Church" is because, like the Maronites, they love the traditions of their own Church and would like to see them restored to their proper place.
That shouldn't be too hard for an Eastern Rite Catholic to understand, eh? Actually we aren't talking about all Traditionalists, we are talking about the few that make it inside Eastern Catholic Churches then bemoan the fact that they aren't Latin and Traditional (i.e. Latin Mass) If the bishops would simply follow Ecclesia Dei which asked them to: c) moreover, respect must everywhere be shown for the feelings of all those who are attached to the Latin liturgical tradition, by a wide and generous application of the directives already issued some time ago by the Apostolic See for the use of the Roman Missal according to the typical edition of 1962. There would be no problems. However, as a group they have been pretty stingy with the application of this. One bishop out near Chicago used to allow the Latin Mass once a month. This was his interpretation of wide and generous. He has since stopped it and the only outlets the laity who are attached to this mass have are drive an hour into Chicago, or go to the local Schismatic Chapel. Now realize, I don't have an attachment to the Missal of 1962. Been to one of them, couldn't understand what the fuss was about. John
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Dear Friends, I think that the anti-RC attacks are rooted simply in a kind of "minority mentality" that some EC's exhibit. It is a way to try and prevent the larger RC body from overwhelming the EC's, a way to stave off Latinization, both existing and future, and to keep the RC's at bay otherwise! (I fail to see what soviet domination has to do with this as Charles has discussed . . . ). This ALSO exists among the Western Orthodox as I observed at an Antiochian Western Rite Orthodox conference in Toronto. There were a number of hard anti-Eastern thrusts made there! They referred to the "icons with the big eyes" and things similar to that. . . Again, it is a minority trying to insulate and protect itself against a larger group with whom it is in constant contact (the Western Rite priests were constantly being "poached" by Eastern Rite parishes, I learned, and were even being told that the "Western Rite is an experiment that will fail, so come over to the Eastern Rite now . . ."). Of course, one may always join a Basilian parish where they have a much more developed system of Latin devotions than even the most traditional RC parish! Alex
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I've honestly never met an EC who is anti-RC... Originally posted by drewmeister2: I know I have talked to some privately about this issue, but I'm curious as to what others have to say about this. I have met some EC's who are very anti-RC, and it keeps me from wanting to become Eastern Catholic. What do I do? Thank you!
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